True Sant Mat - The Real Teachings behind Sant Mat

A Real Dialogue

What is a REAL dialogue?

A real dialogue is what happens when a Realised person meets with someone who WANTS to 'get it'. We can call the Realised person the Guru (if we want to - it is just a word) and the one who wants to get it can be called a disciple. The danger in doing this is that it can create all kinds of concepts about what the Guru should be and the disciple should be, which are more barriers to overcome.

However, the essential ingredient is this: The Guru must be realized - in the sense that he must not be speaking from theory or books or concepts alone. Otherwise it is the blind leading the blind.

The disciple must be SINCERE in that he does not just want to debate. This means he has to drop his desire to be RIGHT. He must forget all about 'being right'. He must be open to dropping his previous ideas that he may have collected over a whole lifetime.

Then - something might just happen, because the disciple is receptive and open. He may 'get it' and one insight leads on to another and soon awakening happens.

An intellectual debate is not the same at all because the essentials are missing.

An example of a Real Dialogue is Krishna and Arjuna. Arjuna questions but only in the spirit of trying to 'get it' and to get clarity. Arjuna is not argumentative - but at the same time he is vocalising his real concerns. When Krishna says "I WAS even before the sun was" - Arjuna is taken aback and questions this.

There is something unique about the dialogue that happens when Guru and disciple meet in this way. This is the real sant mat journey, and history shows that this is what happened to just about every enlightened person - he or she met someone who changed their whole life.

Guru is not a formal title - not a position - like a pope. If it becomes so - then truth has long departed. Guru is also something that cannot be bestowed or passed on. There is nothing to bestow or pass on. It is one's own inner realization.

This is a far cry from what happens in organised religions like sant mat. I call it an organised religion because that is what it is now. The truth has long departed. All that remains is an empty shell. Politics and power plays are in abundance. There are rules and more rules. Satsang is nothing more than a formal gathering. It is the blind leading the blind because often these are conducted by disciples who themsevles have no first-hand experience of the truth.

I was a speaker for quite some time in RSSB and I have seen first hand the ego games that are played by the disciples. Nothing significant happens in RSSB satsang because they are simply giving out theory and telling to you to meditate. In a real satsang - the disciples would get breakthroughs and insights just by being in the satsang. They would begin to awaken and drop their minds.

A Dialogue about Radha Soami Satsang Beas

Over at Church of the Churchless - there is a post called

"A Dialogue about Radha Soami Satsang Beas"

here's a link to it

http://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2009/08/a-dialogue-about-radha-soami-satsang-beas/comments/page/1/

It is a most intriguing post, as are many of the others there. However, this one is unusual because it shows the traps we fall into as seekers of truth. You can see it all there in real life. Someone makes a statement - and someone else takes it and gives it a new meaning and projects his own meaning onto it and proceeds to argue about the new meaning.

Humans are brilliant at this. They PROJECT their own inner beliefs onto the external world. Hence they SEE what they WANT to see. They live in a SELF-CREATED universe. Your life is your own creation - it is your own beliefs projected and super-imposed onto the external world.

This applies just as much to Sant Mat as anything else.

There are some people - (e.g. Tucson, Tao, Brian, to name a few) who see beyond the beliefs of sant mat. Sant mat requires belief and faith. It is a belief system and you are given lots of beliefs that you need to take on before you can consider yourself to be a disciple.

What are beliefs? They are statements that you consider to be TRUE. They may not BE true - but they are to YOU. And that is the point. Once they are true for YOU - they become true, PERIOD. You start to SEE what you want to SEE. It all becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that appears to be real.

You start to believe that the Guru is GIFH (God In Human Form). You project all kinds of powers onto him. You believe he goes to Sach Khand everyday and you want to go too. So you meditate and try to live up to the commandments they give you. You're on your way.

You can spend your entire life chasing rainbows and never catch a single one. Why? Because rainbows cannot be caught - they are an illusion.

It is the same with sant mat. Sach Khand is a rainbow and it cannot be caught. It is a concept - it is not a real place and it was never meant to be taken literally. Once you fall into the trap of believing - you remain trapped until - if you are lucky - something happens to get you to question it all. That is the beginning of awakening - when you start to QUESTION it all.